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I think, however, that rare individuals with unique vision and inner voice have always created the masterpieces we recognize as art in cinema. They are, and have been very few and far between.



Authentic cinema can only mirror the life of the artist and the sunconscious psyche of the society in which he/her is located. Spiritual dimensions manifest themslves within this constraint, and are communicated entirely without artiface.
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In your opinion, what constitutes suffering?



Human beings suffer because they see to clearly. Their senses are more developed than other people’s. And what they see and feel is at war with their own inner spiritual life. At least that’s how I experience it...
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Authentic cinema can only mirror the life of the artist and the subconscious psyche of the society in which he/her is located. Spiritual dimensions manifest themslves within this constraint, and are communicated entirely without artiface.



Do you think that society shapes the spirit or that the true artistic spirit stands apart from society, untouched by conditioning and expectation?
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Human beings suffer because they see to clearly. Their senses are more developed than other people’s.



Please explain your thought. Are you saying that there are human beings and then there are other people who are not human beings?
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Please explain your thought. Are you saying that there are human beings and then there are other people who are not human beings?



I'm sorry for this misunderstanding. English is not my motherlanguage. When I wrote "people" it just came out that way. Maybe I've should have written "human beings" instead?
No, we are all human beings. But there are different kinds of suffering. I don't know which kind of suffering is more worse. I guess your question was about spiritual suffering?


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Do you think that society shapes the spirit or that the true artistic spirit stands apart from society, untouched by conditioning and expectation?



Society definitely shapes our spirit, destroys it or numbs it. We are all products of society. I can’t see how anyone (including the artistic spirit) can cut himself off from life. We are all conditioned. We are all part of it. But it’s true that the artistic spirit sees and feels things differently. And that’s were his suffering comes from. Art is way to make that suffering more bearable. It’s his only way of living. He doesn’t have a choice. The artist didn’t choose to be this way. It really isn't anything to be proud of.
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Do you think that the true artistic spirit stands apart from society, untouched by conditioning and expectation?



I think that the true spirit stands apart from any kind of agressive ideological thinking.
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"The only meaning of life lies in the effort that is demanded in growing spiritually, to change and develop into something different than what we were at birth. If we during the span of time between birth and death can achieve this, in spite of the fact that it is difficult and that progress may seem slow at times, then we have indeed served humanity."

Tarkovsky -- Sculpting In Time
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I often think that a child at birth is the true spiritual being. The child radiates innocence and sees the world pure and without any influence from outside. The child isn’t conditioned yet. Once children grow up the spiritual downfall begins because of the things we learn and experience in life.

We live in a world governed by ideas which other people have evolved, and we either have to conform to the standards of these ideas, or else alienate ourselves from them and contradict them… (Sculpting in Time)

Our lives are all wrong. A person has no need of society, it is society that needs him. Society is a defence mechanism, a form of self-protection. Unlike a gregarious animal, a person must live in isolation, close to nature, to animals and plants, and be in contact with them. (Time within Time)

Maybe as adults we need to go back to a kind of childlike perspective of how to look at the world? We must try to experience life at first hand. We must try not to be influenced by any preconcieved thoughts, idea’s and feelings. Yes, we must become children again. But this is impossible…
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I have come to believe that 'spirituality' is something impossible to genuinely achieve, it is merely a possibility, or a promise - something related to death, the beyond, the numinous, the underlying texture of reality and our ability or desire to concieve it.

The idea that to attain spirituality one has to cut him/herself off from society seems a futile and perhaps misguided approach, bound as it is to the notion that one can truly achieve spirituality or transcendence, however you want to label it.

We must be careful, the trick of maintaining a dialectic between materialist ethics and a transcendental perception does not foreclose the possibilty of evil, and it does not explain morality.

Is morality itself the transcendental object then? This is the big question. Again this is complicated, this time by our differing ideas of morality. Our desire for spirituality, and a return to childlike innocence, may be a wish for an impossible transcendental morality (materialist, universal ethics free from social conditioning): one that neither fears the beyond, nor conceptualises it, a state that is one with the universe.

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The possibility of evil is ever present no matter what our strivings or our spiritual longing. I have often been amazed how the teachings of great beings who gave the lessons of simplicity and love for one another have become twisted into the bigoted, narrow, warped versions that pass for religions and "spirituality" in these times. Greed, hatred and delusion are lurking just around the corner because we, unfortunately, are all carriers of these to varying degrees. We must be ever vigilant against our own failings.
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