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You know, as a great lover of literature, artfilms and paintings I do feel a little bit frustrated. Is it so that where you people live you just can walk into a videostore and rent films by Tarkovsky, Bresson, Paradjanov, Bergman, Pasolini, Rossellini,…..and others?
You have to understand in this little place where I’m living it is just impossible to rent artfilms or lend a book by Tolstoi in a library. What I mean is that in the place where I’m living it is very very hard to get acces to these things. You basicly have to buy them in a foreign internetstore if you ever want to see these films or read these books. As you can imagine it costs me a lot of money (and that’s not so pleasant). I know no one in my direct invironment who I can talk to about these things: nobody seems interested (even movielovers) or doesn’t even know of their existence. This board is like the only place where I can talk about these things. So everything I know I learned and discovered by myself by reading books and buying movies. No one ever guided me (except for this site). You know how it goes: you read a book and it mentions another author or book and you check it out, and so it goes on and on, the same goes for film: Bergman admires Tarkovsky who admires Bresson who is influenced by Bazin’s writings…. And so you discover and seek.
But still I have the feeling and the impulse (I don’t know if that is a good thing?) to discover more. I always had the feeling, and probably the knowledge to, that there is so much more to discover that I don’t know about. The only problem is how will I ever know if there isn’t something that helps you like this site and messageboard. I know, I’m still in my early twenty’s, but I’ve always found myself a dumb person whenever I hear someone talk about things I never heard about and I immediately (I don’t know if that’s a healthy thing?) want to check it out. It’s not an uncontrollable urge to know things, it’s just that most of the time I love what I discover.

I guess what I’m trying to ask here is: are there other things (except for the films mentioned on this site and the “In the Light of Truth” books) that a person in his lifetime should definitely have looked into ?
What films, books, poetry and art do you know about and loved very much and should be a must for people like me who are interested but do not yet know of their existence?

Anyone?

I’ll begin (others than the ones already mentioned on this site):

FILMS
“All or Nothing” by Mike Leigh
“C’est Quoi la Vie?” by Francois Dupeyron
“Des plumes dans la tête” by Thomas de Thier
“Eternity and a day” by Theo Angelopoulos (I think it’s on the list)
“L’Humanité” by Bruno Dumont (I know, I know, just check it out)
“Solas” by Benito Zambrano
“The Return” by Andrei Zvyagintsev
“The Wind will carry us” by Abbas Kiarostami
…….

BOOKS
“Sculpting in Time” by Andrei Tarkovsky
“Transcendental Style in Film” (films of Ozu, Dreyer and Bresson) by Paul Schrader
by Leo Tolstoi
by Fjodr Dostoyevski
by Georges Bernanos
by Friedrich Nietzsche
….

OTHERS
The works by “Aguste Rodin”
“Caspar David Friedrich”
“Johann Sebastian Bach”
……..

(I haven’t read much poetry yet).
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The simple answer is to embrace the popcorn munching MTV lifestyle of your contemparies and avert alientation at this early stage. Intellectual and spiritual pursuit is much like the red pill (or is it the blue?) in the Matrix films. As soon as you glimpse at that knowledge everyone else begins to look like a cog in the well oiled machine of capitalistic ignorance.

I suggest you launch yourself into some philosophy and poetry. Try Kant and Fichte, perhaps some Theodor Adorno also. Read up on the poets Coleridge and Matthew Arnold. Become a writer, poet, filmmaker and then leave your dead-end town and move somewhere in a metropolitan area, or even better move to Paris and become an intellectual hero.



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I share a similar predicament, still here in a suburb near Atlanta. Although there are a few good bookstores and videostores in this city, I spend little time there. Better ones are found in NY, LA, Austin, and elsewhere. For instance, I was at a videostore in Austin a few years ago called Vulcan Video which has a great selection of art films: most films by Bresson, Ozu, Welles, Kubrick, Tarkovsky, Herzog, and plenty of others are found here. So if you're fortunate enough to live near such a store, using the internet to get your movies, at least as rentals, isn't always a necessity. That said, such stores barely eke out an existence, and are probably dwindling in the face of the big guys. A decent rental store near my house, the original in this part of town, closed several years ago due to competition from Blockbusters and Hollywood Videos. Perhaps great films will eventually be digitized and stored in the public domain to be accessed by anyone with a computer, but until that day the modus operandi is one of treasure hunting, which relies on good fortune as much as it does on knowledge.

I am younger than you, but I will make recommendations. Read the Bible, the Word of God; preferably, if you feel you know English well enough, read the King James Version. Remember then that none of man's creations can top the divine, and so constructing such a list of films to watch, books to read, paintings to hang, leads only to vanity, and idolatry; that is, sin, or turning one's eyes from the Lord. A Christian artist knows that though he seeks to glorify God in his works and spread the Light to others through them, he must never bear the conceit that he himself is great, or even nearly as great as God or Jesus. This conceit befalls many an excellent artist, regardless of his stated beliefs.

For those reading who see me as a hypocrite, or a complex bag of contradictions: I am trying to change, I want to change, and part of this is my shedding of unquestioned exaltation of works of man, such as movies.







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Thanks for the recommendations.

I don’t think making a list of films, books, art,… is an act of vanity. I’m just recommend things if anyone is interested. Believe me, I’m the last person in the world who thinks he’s better than another. I’ve experienced too much pain in my life to put myself above another person. My heart still bleeds when I see would-be artists walking around like they have the knowledge and thinking the others are just dumb sheep living their empty lives not knowing any better. That’s vanity. But I don’t hate them anymore. I don’t even try to make them aware of this. I just let them be. I try to love all people (even the bad ones).
I don’t idolize filmmakers, writers, painters, musicians,… I’m not an obsessed fan. I just think I couldn’t live without the wonderful Harpsichord concerto’s by Bach or the magnificant landscapes by Caspar David Friedrich. It’s not like I walk around and say I listen to Bach, read Nietzsche or go to museums and what do you do? I don’t even have people to share these things with. You know where I live, listening to Bach or any piece of classical music is almost like a crime: it’s nothing to be proud of! But I just love art, it goes deep, it triggers my soul, it touches me, it drives me to tears,….that’s no vanity is it? Just because I love these things?

Good art learns us to stay human (just like the bible).
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Chris Kelvin - you are a unique human being, and I value that more than a thousand bible thumping fanatics.

When George Bush said that Jesus was his favourite philosopher, in my view that means that he knows no philosophy. Because the teachings of Jesus are now simply dogma (whatever their original value) and true enlightenment needs to found elsewhere. There is as much to be found in the great directors and musicians of our world as in the Bible. That need not means we fetishize them but respect, absorb and assimilate their spiritual work into our own life consciousness.

Keep at it. I respect your individuality very much.
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See, you are another humanist; by your very words you value the works of man over all else. What then of where we came from, and why we're here, and where we're going? To write poems and congratulate each other on our genius? because I don't believe any of us humans will discover such answers for ourselves, not in any definitive sense, without the help, and the faith instilled in us, by our creator. I value the simple ten year old child who plainly understands the wisdom in the Bible over a thousand man-worshipping humanists who will spent their entire lives in vain searching, out of country and throughout time, for the greatest work of art to pleasure themselves: it is they who are the fools; it is they who are on a "grail quest."


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By your very words you value the works of man over all else.



That's not true. All else is also of the greatest importants and I couldn't live without that either.

Being ignorant towards art is the same as being ignorant towards life itself. You can learn as much from art as from life itself. So you could say in a way I’m using the whole of creation for my own pleasure, for my own satisfaction. Yes, I’m worshipping life and the miracle of creation, but I’m not searching for the ultimate truth. I just want to learn and experience life as much as possible (art and “everything else” included). If that’s vanity you should better stop living then.



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My last response was in response to "ecarner," in case you thought it was specifically directed towards you.
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If any one else has recommandations I would be more than greatfull.

Chris.

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because I don't believe any of us humans will discover such answers for ourselves, not in any definitive sense, without the help, and the faith instilled in us, by our creator.

So you also are a humanist. As you believe we can ourselves find the answers, even if we also believe we are guided by a higher power.

I don't believe in god as a Kantian abstraction but I can fathom a more realistic conception of god as a human spirit, a personification of our ideals and innate truths.
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