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I share your sentiments. I just cannot see how we can balance a much more old fashioned way of life with the present and the way we are heading. Perhaps we will discover how to use energy efficiently enough that it could call for a complete reengineering of society, a return to a more humane and natural way of life without losing some of our important technological wonders and knowledge and discoveries. But we've been heading down this path for a long time now, centuries before any of us were born. It is just our technological and industrial advance has been rapidly and exponentially speeding up, particularly noticable in the past fifty years. It is growing or has already grown out of control. Yet how will we leave the earth, visit the stars and perfect our sciences without this process of dehumanization and chaos? We've already climbed this far, what is the point in going back now or even preserving the past to such an extent that it can be comprehended by those in the future? It is not as if the knowledge and habits can be undone by wishful thinking and that we return to some kind of innocence by will power alone. And could this evolution of ours not be towards something much grander and more valuable than we can imagine at this point in time? We know by now that the old fashioned ways of life never led to any bona fide revelations into the mysteries of life and the universe. Our self-imposed dehumanization towards a globalized, biomechanical, virtual reality could be the best thing to have happened to us in thousands of years. But now that I've said this, could I really be sharing your sentiments?
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“Yet how will we leave the earth, visit the stars and perfect our sciences without this process of dehumanization and chaos?”

Losing our humanity is a very high price to pay for progress. That’s the same as destroying ourselves. Instead progress (and everything else) should be in service of humanity. Only then we can rise upwards !!


“We know by now that the old fashioned ways of life never led to any bona fide revelations into the mysteries of life and the universe.”

You’re wrong. How do you explain for example Greek mythology? It’s not because it isn’t based on scientific facts and evidence that they didn’t had a sense of wonder and understanding of the miracle of creation. You can’t say they were wrong. And that’s exactly what we have lost: the sense of wonder, respect for creation.

Again: hasn’t humanity learned anything from history?

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You’re wrong. How do you explain for example Greek mythology? It’s not because it isn’t based on scientific facts and evidence that they didn’t had a sense of wonder and understanding of the miracle of creation. You can’t say they were wrong. And that’s exactly what we have lost: the sense of wonder, respect for creation.

Again: hasn’t humanity learned anything from history?



A mythological understanding of things is what man had before he invented history and the other social sciences. The Greeks were in a process of dissolving themselves of their primitive homo-religious past. Ideal historical knowledge, which we have come closer in perfecting since their time, only guts the validity of mythological ideas because they reveal their profane, prosaic or decidely terrestrial genesis. You seek to regress to humanity's childhood, with all its ignorant wonders and superstitions.

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“Yet how will we leave the earth, visit the stars and perfect our sciences without this process of dehumanization and chaos?”

Losing our humanity is a very high price to pay for progress. That’s the same as destroying ourselves. Instead progress (and everything else) should be in service of humanity. Only then we can rise upwards !!



An adult may have lost the identity he had as a child, but it is not as if the child has died in the process - instead he has been reborn as something else.


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“You seek to regress to humanity's childhood, with all its ignorant wonders and superstitions.”

Yes! I think we truely need that sense of wonder and respect for creation again. But we musn't be naïve.

“An adult may have lost the identity he had as a child, but it is not as if the child has died in the process - instead he has been reborn as something else.”

At the cost of humanity?
It doesn’t necessarely have to be that way.

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As far as argument and debate are concerned a true resolution can never be reached. And even great architects of social change cannot answer the questions of humanity. In the end where spiritual values are concerned a different course than people are used to is needed- a different approach. Anyone who on that account has gained genuine spiritual knowledge should not be expected to argue and convince others in the way they are used to. True spiritual knowledge enables insights that are not attainable through any amount of cleverness or deliberation yet is simple, clear and logical. At best people can realize and awaken to their great individual responsibilty and lack of true knowledge, their spiritual failure and weakness and therefore be open to what is entirely new still to many. But this shock might only come from a deep inner experience or many such experiences but equally when genuine is also a joyful one.

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I understand now. It’s not up to me to convince others. I can’t force another person to awaken spiritually. Maybe truth and spiritual awakening is for each person a different experience and meaning. You’re right. I can’t convince the world of my own beliefs. Everyone has to evolve in his own personal way. I realize that now. It was selfish of me to think that I could convince others through my experience, that the world is wrong. Because the experience is for everyone different and personal. I’m sorry. You’re right. I have to focus on my own spiritual development. Thank you. I really feel better now.

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My post wasn't directed at anyone in particular and I think that there is a place for discussion. I don't think it is selfish to give your point of view in good volition. But yes I agree that every seeker has a unique path that however has the same destination.
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I don't believe you can share these sort of things... spiritual knowledge, our depth of emotions and passions... through telecommunication systems like the internet, this message board, this website. I don't believe that is humanly possible. the best one can do is talk academics, theories of logic and analysis, science-stuff. that still works fairly well. but talking or communicating like this as we are trying to do is utter silliness if any of us actually thinks we can impart spiritual knowledge though it. you can write a powerful book, yes, that inspires people, but even that doesn't happen if none of the people who read it, publish it and make it known don't actually know each other else and can't share in these feelings and insights personally, meaningfully.

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