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Is there any hope for the future of humanity?


Is there?
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I think we have to ask some very important questions about our way of life :

What’s the meaning of life :

When workmen are replaced by machines ?
When our culture is based on what we see on television and read in magazines ?
When lonelyness becomes unbearable ?
When humans always want to have war ?
When profit is more important than humanity ?
When science becomes immoral ?
When progress only makes our lives more complicated, faster and stressfull ?
When entertainment becomes art ?
When there’s no more nature ?
When there’s no more silence ?
When there’s no more tolerance ?
When we can’t forgive anymore ?
When making money becomes immoral ?
When making money is the most important thing in life ?
When capitalism becomes immoral ?
When the lives of people are arranged by others ?
When the military system becomes immoral ?
When everybody just consumes ?
When art becomes entertainment ?
When (most) people have to spend their whole lives practicing a one-dimensional routine job ?
When we don’t have time anymore to raise our children ?
When there’s no time to live ?
When people spend their whole lives in front of their tv, computer,... ?
When people in spite of material prosperity keep getting unhappier ?
When people are indifferent to eachother ?
When our lives are ruled by the clock ?
When order and safety becomes madness ?
When social contact is just business ?
When having stress is normal ?
When progress is more important than lifequality ?
When we always have to stand in traffic ?
When we are dialy bombarded by commercials ?
When we don’t have time for eachother ?
When we destroy our natural life invironment ?

When all of this is accepted as normal ?
When there’s no turning back ?

(don’t shoot me if you don’t agree with me !)


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I have been aware of this board for a while but only now felt the need to post. emoticon Every once in a while or in fact frequently most people recoil in horror at what they see on the news or every day in their life. Who knows who can keep their candle aflame as they cross the water as in Tarkovski's Nostalgia? Only the Creator Himself. If we as human beings hesitate being attatched to the majority of humanity then we run the risk of not being able to find our way into Truth.

"When all of this is accepted as normal ?
When there’s no turning back ?"

That is a frightening prospect. Thankfully not everyone accepts this as normal.

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But how difficult it has become to keep our candle burning!


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Most of these things you speak of aren't that new. To when do you wish to turn back the clock? And hasn't it always been bad? Instead of listing complaints, can you paint a picture of an ideal world?

Besides... what's wrong with worshipping money?
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“Most of the things you speak of aren’t that new.”
 That doesn’t mean they are not important.

“To when do you wish to turn back the clock?”
We can’t turn back the clock, we can only evolve forward into the future. What I mean with “no turning back” is that (most of) humanity at the peak of their (material) evolution still hasn’t learned what it means to be human. It’s always been bad. I agree. But never as bad as today when we have the capability to change it. Why don’t we? Instead we are proud we can destroy ourselves by only pushing a button.

These are not complaints, these are things that concern me posed in questions. If you read the questions I think you can make up for yourself how my "ideal" world looks like.

I have nothing against making money as long as we don't lose our humanity.


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If humanity is spiritually asleep then there is no hope for humanity. How is it possible to keep alive the pure vision of God when surrounded by egotism and decadence? When any weakness meets with mass encouragement and approval whereas serious seeking for the Truth estranges someone from the majority of humanity.
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These are not complaints, these are things that concern me posed in questions. If you read the questions I think you can make up for yourself how my "ideal" world looks like.



I can't. It's one thing to state some things you wish weren't so, what you wish in the world would be eliminated or decreased or avoided, but you list the foundations of our culture, which calls for a complete revision. And that also calls for some ideas of how we should be living instead. Given that many of the things you mention are modern, I took it you wished things were more like they were before, say, the industrial revolution. But I also know you believe it is so much a religious matter, which affects every age regardless of materialism, technology, politics, etc. I don't think you can divorce the way we live externally (sociologically) from the way we live internally (spiritually, emotionally). They're two sides of the same coin.

It's difficult to be as exact and realistic in prescribing how humans should behave than it is in proscribing how they shouldn't. When man sins conscientiously it has far less to do with an evil force leading him there than it does with his inability to imagine any other course of action.
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If you are a serious seeker you just can’t cut yourself off from the majority of humanity just like that. We are part of it, of humanity. It is our culture. It is us. It’s a major part of our lives.
I am concerned by humanity and the way it’s evolving. Yes, I hate the majority of humanity, but I love them to. I think it’s tragic. If I wasn’t emotionally involved then I would think it to be very selfish of me. You can’t just ignore, reject or cut yourself emotionally off from all the things you don’t like, you don’t agree with. We have to face them and ask what we think is of value for ourselves. Yes. I think we have to completely revision our culture. We have to pose questions and ask ourselves what we think is important. The only thing I ask is that humanity asks these questions for themselves personally. To confront thereselves with these (important) questions. At least to become aware of them. To think of them. I know we can’t change the world and change the way we live from one day to the next. What is important is that we pose questions with everything and not take everything for granted. We have to revalue our lives, our culture, everything. To at least become aware of it. To be consious about what we are doing and more important to take responsibility. Maybe the majority of humanity doesn’t want change, or doesn’t have the courage to change. But deep in their hearts they know something isn’t right. That something is missing. Then it’s important to face reality, or should I say truth.

How we should live: It’s essential that our culture is based on humanity, tolerance, forgivness, compassion, love, respect,…. Where silence is possible, where we can still walk around in nature and enjoy it. Where there’s time for eachother. Where we help eachother, listen to eachother. Care for eachother. Where we aren’t lonely. Where we don’t exploit other people. A culture that isn’t based on me, me, me,… and more, more, more,…. We are losing our humanity. The fundamental things that makes us human.
Have we learned nothing from history? For me there’s only one religion: How to be humane.
I have nothing against modernity, science, making money, prosperity, entertainment, noise, cities: but it musn’t become a standerd (this is what happening all over the world). There must be room to breath, for other things, for humanity,…
To when I want to go back? I have seen the world around me evolving from a time where people lived in harmony, where there was silence and nature as far as the eye could see, where there was tolerance and time to enjoy the world, a time to marvel at the beauty of creation. I have seen it change to a cold place where people don’t even know their own neighbours anymore, where there isn’t any nature left, where silence doesn’t exists any more, when people have become completely alienated from eachother, even their own children or parents,… To a place where there’s hardly a single tree left. Where all you can hear is traffic. Where all you have left is highways, shoppingmalls and lots of buildings. Where people’s lives are completely dominated by televsion and popular culture. Where you can’t even piss against a tree anymore without paying the price for it. Where children aren’t playing with eachother anymore, but are playing with their computergames and cellular phones. I once lived in a place where you could walk around at night in the fields and you wouldn’t meet a single person. Where there wasn’t any artficial light to light up the streets. Where true darkness existed. Where the world around you was illuminated by only one thing: moonlight.
I want to go back to that moment in time, but I can’t because it doesn’t exist anymore. It’ s tragic. If only humanity could remember what it has lost !!!

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Sorry, post it twice.

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