The truth about Kubrick's film "Eyes Wide Shut"! https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/t34871 Runboard| The truth about Kubrick's film "Eyes Wide Shut"! en-us Fri, 29 Mar 2024 09:38:38 +0000 Fri, 29 Mar 2024 09:38:38 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Re: The truth about Kubrick's film "Eyes Wide Shut"!https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156560,from=rss#post156560https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156560,from=rss#post156560I don't want to go on too much about politics (not enough room and too off topic), so i'll just repeat this. Do some google searches if you are interested. In fact reading Golitsyn, you can understand pretty much why the world is politically the way it is today and where it's headed. I am convinced that Russia (or the communist leadership rather)and the red army will be part of the west's punishment for spiritual indolence. Also America is the only country that fits the description of political Babylon. And we all know what happens to Babylon....... The book and articles of J R Nyquist. The books of high level Russian and eastern bloc defectors Jan Sejna, Anatoliy Golitsyn, Col. Stanislav Lunev. Also the books of Bill Gertz, Edward Jay Epstein, Joseph D. Douglass Jr to name a few. Read the Bible. Read the visions of Dimitri Duduman. George Washington. Henry Gruver. Brother Branham. David Wilkerson. Kay Fowler. Chuck Youngbrandt. The Bayside prophecies (Veronika Lueken). nondisclosed_email@example.com (MatthewJ)Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:36:39 +0000 Re: The truth about Kubrick's film "Eyes Wide Shut"!https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156559,from=rss#post156559https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156559,from=rss#post156559quote:Watch the Soviet Union very closely, for this is the tool that God uses to judge us in the west. What are you saying? Worldwar III?nondisclosed_email@example.com (Chris Kelvin)Mon, 22 Mar 2004 14:02:17 +0000 Re: The truth about Kubrick's film "Eyes Wide Shut"!https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156558,from=rss#post156558https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156558,from=rss#post156558With the correct knowledge and the benefit of hindsight, it's not so hard to see where we went wrong. It's going to be a marathon to correct it, but I personally want to sign up for the long haul. What irritates me is the guesswork of how the acceleration will take form (apart from Russia)and how I can best make things as easy as possible for myself during these times. I hope that doesn't sound too snide, but I know what's coming, and it ain't pretty. But then again, Justice = Love, it's the only way. God will enforce His Will most harshly and the most atrocious things will happen. But in reality there is no other way to salvage this most absurd situation we have brought upon ourselves via the intellect.nondisclosed_email@example.com (MatthewJ)Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:12:06 +0000 Re: The truth about Kubrick's film "Eyes Wide Shut"!https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156557,from=rss#post156557https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156557,from=rss#post156557We are "The Last generation". It will not get any worse, trust me. We are in the midst of the Judgement, in fact nearly 100 years in, very near the end, yet man is totally oblivious to this great happening. It would be funny if it were not so sad. Yet there's always still time to make your peace with God (I hope). Only this, only this will be your safeguard against the happenings which must manifest in gross matter very soon. Watch the Soviet Union very closely, for this is the tool that God uses to judge us in the west.nondisclosed_email@example.com (MatthewJ)Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:53:02 +0000 Re: The truth about Kubrick's film "Eyes Wide Shut"!https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156556,from=rss#post156556https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156556,from=rss#post156556quote:I personally am also fed up with these incompetants, who are blind to the Will of God and the laws of Creation, telling me what is right and wrong and taking it in their hands, using every last grain of their twisted intellects, to forcibly, arrogantly, implement their unnatural version of civiliztion on us. Go on. I want to hear more about this. quote:The comfort though, is that the acceleration of events during this final stage of the Judgement, will soon put an end to this intellectual perversity. Yes, isn't it happening faster than ever before, and on a larger scale than ever before. The end could occur in our lifetimes, instead of dragging on for centuries more to come. There is a relief in knowing that one cannot even begin to keep up with the rapid and global changes taking place now. Some of us will unwittingly dig our heels into the dirt as we watch the stampede run itself right off the Cliff. Matthewnondisclosed_email@example.com (friendlessvoyage)Sun, 21 Mar 2004 05:15:57 +0000 Re: The truth about Kubrick's film "Eyes Wide Shut"!https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156555,from=rss#post156555https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156555,from=rss#post156555I had a look at this manifesto. I agree with what he says for the most part. He correctly identifies the socialist utopians as being the main element in society intent on control. Tony Blair's government for one is running on a script straight from the communist manifesto, implementing control via stealth. But then again all politicians have their own agendas, and theyr'e always batting for the darkness, left or right wing. I personally am also fed up with these incompetants, who are blind to the Will of God and the laws of Creation, telling me what is right and wrong and taking it in their hands, using every last grain of their twisted intellects, to forcibly, arrogantly, implement their unnatural version of civiliztion on us. The comfort though, is that the acceleration of events during this final stage of the Judgement, will soon put an end to this intellectual perversity.nondisclosed_email@example.com (MatthewJ)Sat, 20 Mar 2004 16:33:30 +0000 Re: The truth about Kubrick's film "Eyes Wide Shut"!https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156554,from=rss#post156554https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156554,from=rss#post156554The only hope I can give you is that more and more people realize this. They feel it in their lives. It has invaded in their homes, their way of life. In a world where this extreme consumption, capitalism and extreme technological and industrial development produces nothing but emptyness, meaninglessness and destroys our spirit, a lot of people are searching for meaning. They seek a way out, for other ways to live, they escape (sometimes back in consumption and denial: sadly enough). They realize that they are cut off from creation, from real life, from their inner life, and they feel that their freedom is getting more and more restricted. As things are getting worse eventually people won’t accept it anymore and will revolt (and I’m afraid it will not always be without violence). I read the Unabomber Manifest some time ago and it was shocking for me to find out I had the same kind of views that this terrorist had. I agree with the mayority of what he states except off course the violence and terrorism he sees as a sollution. But yes, he hits the nail on the head. Last sunday I saw an interesting documentary on television called “Surplus: terrorized into being consumers” by Erik Gandini. It had some interesting statements. If you stumble upon it I suggest you take a look, but I shouldn’t buy it. It’s not worth the money. I think you can also find information about it on the internet. Chris. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Chris Kelvin)Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:56:28 +0000 Re: The truth about Kubrick's film "Eyes Wide Shut"!https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156553,from=rss#post156553https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156553,from=rss#post156553You write very well, I think. English is the only language I know so I don't know much about picking up a new one. I've re-read through "The Unabomber's Manifesto," "Industrial Society and Its Future," as it's called, today, finding myself agreeing with the majority of its ideas except that we need to use force and kill people to end this system. At least I hope that is not the case. If you haven't read it before, you should. You can find it on the web easily if you do a search. I don't know... today I have felt a bit hopeless and powerless about all of this mess, this monstrous world of industry and complex technologies of ours that has gotten way out of hand. Governmental and corporate surveilence of our society has in practicality already reached "1984" levels in many urban areas... no doubt it won't be much longer before we begin genetically modifying people, or before we enter a third world war in which we'll see the mass use of some of the truly horrifying warfare we have been developing... Matthew nondisclosed_email@example.com (friendlessvoyage)Sat, 20 Mar 2004 03:52:56 +0000 Re: The truth about Kubrick's film "Eyes Wide Shut"!https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156552,from=rss#post156552https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156552,from=rss#post156552quote:I know of these internet based nwo conspiracies, I have seen the websites. The evidence is third rate at best, as are the people behind it, and it only serves to divide people in the west, something that our real enemies, the Soviet Union and China, most certainly want. I know it’s easy to get drawn in to this stuff, but you should look beyond it. It is unbelievably damaging to your country and takes the attention away from the real threats. You really don’t need these websites or conspiracy theorists (who I actually never really heard of) to realize what is happening in the world. Just open your eyes. See it from a distance so you can have a clear view of everything. It’s so obvious. quote:But i'm not quite sure what you are trying to say anyway. Capitalism is bad? Well so is socialism, both are poisonous products of the intellect, the darkness and are meant to serve man, not spirit. Don’t worry by the way, neither have got me. Yes, but you do live in it! It’s not exactly like you have a choice? Political systems aren’t necesarely bad. It’s the people who are on top, who have the power. If capitalism was treated the right way it could achieve great things. But now it is corrupted: it has lost its humanity. It’s just another system that goes to far, that becomes extreme, immoral,… Powerfull people and mayor coöperations don’t see us as human beings: they see us as workers, voters, consumers, numbers,…who are only good for one thing: to make themselves more rich and powerfull. It’s incredible what influence these mayor coöperations have on goverments around the world. You also can’t ignore the fact that there are countries where people are being exploited by these coöperations by working 18 hours a day, get very little paid (to little to survive!), where these people have to take pills to stay awake and even refuse to go to the toilet because otherwise they lose their job. That’s what capitalism is doing nowadays! And as I see it things are going to get worse: especially in the West, where still more people are losing their job and mayor coöperations are moving to other countries. There’s nothing we can do about this. The gap between poor and rich will get very very big ! Prepare yourself! quote:Money doesn’t enslave man, weapons, willpower and tyrants do. All in plentiful supply in the east. As I argued above: money does inslave man. Off course weapons, willpower and tyrants are all in plentifull in the east. But also in the West! It makes me very angry to see that the West even produces guns and weapons of massdestruction on transportlines in factories. We even provide the East, other countries and even dictators and terrorists these weapons ourselves. What good does it do? A gun is only meant for one thing: for killing another person: it has no other purpose. But if the West can earn money by selling their own produced weapons they sure won’t hesitate to do so. Don’t you see the madness in this? They don’t care about it being immoral: money and power are God now and everything is allowed to serve these gods. quote:Notice who won in Spain, who’s in power in France, Germany and the UK. What’s their attitude towards your American elites (and you)? Not to mention the Soviet Union, China and North Korea (and most of South America). How will Uncle Sam get these people to capitulate when they have far more nuclear weapons and troops. With your underfunded and overstretched military? Your low yield nuclear warheads (which you have been disabling at an alarming rate, now that Russia and china are our “friends”)? Or is it all to do with the UN, another heavily communist infiltrated organization? Are they the secret instrument of the American elites? I don’t think so, given their recent attitude towards the United States. As an European I have nothing against Americans. But I do have something against your President George W. Bush. Maybe it’s hard for you to believe, but I just knew if this guy was going to be elected for President that there was going to be war. I just knew it! Oké, terrorism is a real serious threath and must be taken care off. But you just don’t solve violence with violence: it only makes things worse (as we have see). I think it was absolutely wrong for Bush to begin war with Irak. There’s absolutely no proof and there was no connection what so ever with Osama Bin Laden. You do know that America even before 9-11 had plans to start a war with Irak? Even when Clinton was President? When 9-11 happened Bush had the perfect excuse: Oil!!! The only reason. He didn’t attack Irak to wipe out terrorism (although Saddam’s regime was horrible). It’s all about who controls the oil today! I always thought it was strange that Bush, who believes in God and peace so much, is capable of going to war so easily: without any proof at all about the existence of weapons of massdestruction. You also do know that Bush ordered the media in America to not show any dead soldiers who were killed in Irak on tv when they returned home to America? Why is that? To not upset the people or to camouflage the real horror of “his” war? Bush didn’t make America exactly very popular you know. And what about the reporters that went along with American soldiers: I have seen it: it’s pure propaganda!!! But enough of Bush. The same kind of extreme behaviour is also manifesting itself in Europe, Russia, Italy, UK,… We should never forget how Hitler conditioned and brainwashed the Germans! It frightens me to see the same kind of tactics, propaganda, conditioning (have you ever seen the cartoons for kids where the bad guy is a Jew?) and massmediamanipulation are already popping out in other places in the world to. The Germans didn’t realize what they were doing when they wiped out the Jews, because they were brainswashed!! And we must realize that our minds at this very moment in history are also being brainswashed. That’s why a lot of people don’t see the danger coming!! Another example: here in Belgium there’s what they call the proces of the century going on here. Dutroux: state enemy number one, pedophile and childmurderer is on trial. 8 Years passed between his arrest and his trail. He even escaped once under the eyes of policeofficers who garded him? How can this happen? My guess Dutroux is part of a large network and if this guy was going to get on trail everything was going to be exposed. So they let them escape. They just didn’t count on the man who guarded the forest who could catch him. Now he is on trail and lot of mistakes happend in this trail. And a lot of evidence and statements by the victims (the only ones who survived) are seen as just not important as said by the judge. What is going on here? I believe there is a network and powerful people (the same people that rule our country) are involved here. It’s so obvious that illogical decisions are made. There is so much happening over our heads, you wouldn’t believe when they told you. Chris. (Your welcome Matthew. Chris Kelvin. Yes, It’s from Solaris. I chose the name because it represents very well what goes on in my head. The conflict between Christ vs science, spiritual vs material, intuition vs intellect. It is actually the first time ever I posted something on the internet, on this messageboard, so I didn’t know what name to choose. But my real name is Christopher, or just Chris….. My writing is not always perfect, I sometimes have troubles to express my opinion in English. So sentences are not very well build and are often repeated or simplified or not very well spelled. I sometimes even have to take my dictionary to check things. But it’s worth it…). nondisclosed_email@example.com (Chris Kelvin)Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:21:55 +0000 Re: The truth about Kubrick's film "Eyes Wide Shut"!https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156551,from=rss#post156551https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156551,from=rss#post156551No, I read the article you posted from top to bottom before I responded. I will, actually, print out some of your last post for the nouns you mentioned that I know little or nothing about. But will You do besides lecture to me about my stupidity or my hysteria? Matthew nondisclosed_email@example.com (friendlessvoyage)Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:27:44 +0000 Re: The truth about Kubrick's film "Eyes Wide Shut"!https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156550,from=rss#post156550https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156550,from=rss#post156550You obviously didn't read the essay I put up for you. I had hoped it might clear your head a bit. I know of these internet based nwo conspiracies, I have seen the websites. The evidence is third rate at best, as are the people behind it, and it only serves to divide people in the west, something that our real enemies, the Soviet Union and China, most certainly want. I know it’s easy to get drawn in to this stuff, but you should look beyond it. It is unbelievably damaging to your country and takes the attention away from the real threats. But i'm not quite sure what you are trying to say anyway. Capitalism is bad? Well so is socialism, both are poisonous products of the intellect, the darkness and are meant to serve man, not spirit. Don’t worry by the way, neither have got me. And who are these shadowy people? The Bilderbergers maybe? The very same people who cannot even tie their own shoelaces, let alone take over the world. The same people that supply Russia and China with advanced technology and billions in aid? The very same two countries that have thousands of nuclear warheads pointed at us and a long-standing hatred of the west? Your “elite” doesn’t sound particularly smart to me. The only fascism / one world order in America and Europe is the socialist variety, which seems to be on an unstoppable march right now. This is the essence of the Bilderbergers, to create a socialist European Tower of Babel. Read the Communist Manifesto and you will understand the mentality. You simply mistake left wing fascism for right wing fascism and corporate globalisation for some diabolical plot to enslave mankind. Money doesn’t enslave man, weapons, willpower and tyrants do. All in plentiful supply in the east. Notice who won in Spain, who’s in power in France, Germany and the UK. What’s their attitude towards your American elites (and you)? Not to mention the Soviet Union, China and North Korea (and most of South America). How will Uncle Sam get these people to capitulate when they have far more nuclear weapons and troops. With your underfunded and overstretched military? Your low yield nuclear warheads (which you have been disabling at an alarming rate, now that Russia and china are our “friends”)? Or is it all to do with the UN, another heavily communist infiltrated organization? Are they the secret instrument of the American elites? I don’t think so, given their recent attitude towards the United States. You are focusing your energy on entirely the wrong people. These are not the people you have to fear. Read the Bible. Read the visions of Dimitri Duduman. George Washington. Henry Gruver. Brother Branham. David Wilkerson. Kay Fowler. Chuck Youngbrandt. The Bayside prophecies (Veronika Lueken). The book and articles of J R Nyquist. The books of high level Russian and eastern bloc defectors Jan Sejna, Anatoliy Golitsyn, Col. Stanislav Lunev. Also the books of Bill Gertz, Edward Jay Epstein, Joseph D. Douglass Jr to name a few. Then it will slowly come to you how the Tribulation period will begin. nondisclosed_email@example.com (MatthewJ)Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:48:34 +0000 Re: The truth about Kubrick's film "Eyes Wide Shut"!https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156549,from=rss#post156549https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156549,from=rss#post156549It makes me very happy to see someone out there who understands this as intuitively and deeply as you. What truly gives me hope though is my deep-rooted hunch that they have not yet seized total control. I do not believe we have yet hit the point of no return, even if various men in power privately believe this to be the case. I still think that education and spreading the word to any and all people will help greatly. And I'm not talking to just you here, Chris (is that a pen name? "Solaris" Chris Kelvin? I've assumed so, but you don't have to state your real name here), as I hope Gregory and Maria Pearse and whoever Matthew J is and anyone else is listening to these very words and realizing just how critical today's moment is. These are the times that simply transcend traditional or common thought of notions of politics, religion, spirituality, science, technology, education, and to a small extent even history. If we are to even begin to keep the remaining precious freedoms we have (and I'm speaking primarily to Americans here, and okay, white and affluent Americans, but I really mean anyone in the world, anyone in the states, any color, any creed, etc), if we are to keep these freedoms we have got to act now. For instance, perhaps it was a waste of time, but it was the only thing I could think of to do, but today while at the gas station I asked for a sheet of paper by the manager and began writing down websites and radio stations to listen to get important information about our times and about what the mainstream media, universities, government (local, state, national, and do i have to say it? yes, global as well) is not telling you, or is twisting in such a way that most viewers will be tricked into finding it unbelievable or a waste of time. They are already doing damage control and controlled opposition on the mainstream media about things like Skull and Bones and Bohemian Grove and even Alex Jones seems to be already getting a bad rap in certain outlets. Atheists and agnostics and free thinkers and "brights" and skeptics, the people who find Michael Shermer and James Randi to be great sources of information... they do not realize how serious knowledge of this kind is, why belief in these dark and strange rituals among America and Britain's elite (and elsewhere) is nothing to joke about or sweep under the rug. I mean, the people who find this information disturbing and scary will be the first to be pegged by these "skeptics" like of Skeptic Magazine that they should let Presidents, powerful men throughout the world seemingly worship satanic or paganistic or druidic or masonic Eyes Wide Shut-style beliefs and practice these rituals and beliefs as long as it's hurting no one else, as long as it doesn't violate the separation between church and state, and so forth. No, it's not really about that. That's a superficial analysis. We have always been told that Bush I and II and Cheny and Wolfowitz and Reagan and Carter and Roosevelt and hundreds of others (gosh I wish I could keep up with the names) are Christians who believe in the Bible. Well they don't, folks. I mean, you watch that mid-section of "Eyes Wide Shut" and I don't care how atheist or agnostic you are, you will be the first to admit that you wouldn't want these kind of people babysitting your daughter or being in charge of your doctors and most of the doctors you have to choose from, or being in the kind of de facto, but penetrating command of our education system, or ruling our media, and leading ALL OF THIS overseas and globalizing this insanity so that the entire world turns into a giant Hollywood, Mcdonaldized Disney theme park land, or a giant Tit Bar or a giant Rave scene or a giant Pleasure Dome, okay? I mean words fail to describe the horror that we are facing. But anyone reading has gotta look into this Bohemian Grove and Skull and Bones stuff their selves. www.prisonplanet.com, www.propagandamatrix.com, infowars.com are great places to start. Thepowerhour.com is good, GCN radio networks still have good information coming out although the truth seekers here like John Statmiller are disbanding and trying to form a new, larger, uncorrupted network to get the word out better... I mean, as that silly X Files show says, "the truth is out there", you just gotta know where to look, where to find it, who to talk to, and you're going to find so little, if anything, of these kind of deadly serious matters through your TV (except on certain local access shows that still aren't controlled by the FCC, like here in Austin), your newspapers or the kind of magazines you can buy at Borders or Barnes and Nobles. That is controlled information by the state, by the people in charge, and I'm telling you it's higher up than the members of our government. Bush, Kerry (I speak of him as a member already since according to many Skull and Bones members it doesn't matter who wins the election, it's a win-win situation for them)... these folks are minions doing the biddings of those of the highest influence bringing us to a one world order, a total governmentalized planet in which even the most basic of our freedoms will be lost or contorted to such a degree that millions of us will even realize we don't have the freedoms we thought we had until we simply try to exercise our rights and realize they are no longer there. Thank you for what you said, Chris... again, it's good to hear it. Apologizes about the sloppiness of my writing and the typos I tend to make. I normally double check posts I make to the internet, but I'm clumsy by nature. You should see how many drinks I spill and cords I trip in real life... Matthew nondisclosed_email@example.com (friendlessvoyage)Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:31:21 +0000 Re: The truth about Kubrick's film "Eyes Wide Shut"!https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156548,from=rss#post156548https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156548,from=rss#post156548I absolutely agree with what you say. There are a lot of things that started me thinking about this and I can’t fully grasp it because it is happening over our heads. The problem is that we as human beings come in a world we have not chosen. We grow up in a world and see everything as normal, because we don’t know of the existence of other worlds, others then our own close invironment: the place we grow up in, or that it once was different: that there once was a time where television didn’t exist! For many people growing up without computers or tv is something unthinkable. With other worlds I mean other cultures. It’s still amazing that in some places in the world there are still people who live in a very primitive way: people who couldn’t live in a house unless you forced them to (because they see a house as a bunker with four walls to lock yourself up in: they see what we are doing as madness: we are locking ourselves up!!! The whole idea of a modern city for me is a mayor artificial prison). It’s only when we are confronted directly with other worlds that some people begin to question their own. The problem with our world is that it is all controlled, artficially, thought out intellectually by powerfull people and coörperations, which of course if they once have the power they sure want to keep it. I think it’s the eternal conflict between the powerfull and the powerless, the rich and the poor. I used to believe in democracy, but know I now that it is just an illusion to keep the people quiet. Look at Poetin who was elected for President: he was practically the only candidate: for other candidates it was forbidden to show themselves on television. Poetin even refused to discuss his political program. Still the Russian people voted for him? Poetin, Berlusconi, Bush and many others all have the power to control the media. They decide what is shown and what is not shown. Think it’s the truth you see on television? No way! They let the people believe what they want them to believe. Another example: Terrorist attacks in Spain last week. They all wanted to know who was behind it. Here in Belgium I heard on the news that “Al Quada” was behind the attacks. That “Al Quada” officially claimed responsiblity. But at the same time I saw all these protesters in Spain who all believed it was “ETA”. I thought it was strange. Later on it came out that it where elections 4 days later and that the Prime Minister wanted people to believe it was ETA. If it was “Al Quada” the Prime Minister had failed his policy. So “Al Quada” had to shout and scream for recognition and send Spain a videotape with proof it was them. The people were furious that their Prime Minister had used these horrible attacks to use in gain for his re-election. He lied. I think the same goes for Bush and his ads of 9-11 for elections and his whole war on terror. Later in the media in Spain said they officially knew it was “Al Quada” but they were forbidden by the government to report about this!!! The truth is we are being manipulated and controled by powerfull people. Yes we are prisoners. All they want us to do is to stay low, keep us dumb, keep us afraid, so we can go on consuming and pay all kind of taxes and make money for them by working our ass off, so they get rich and have more power. We are giving up our freedom and the chance to develop ourselves as human beings because their are people who are so immoral that profit and power is more important then the well-being of the people. Yes I see everything evolving to a kind of 1984 or Brave New World: we are already there! Everywhere there is security, camera’s on the street, satelites in the sky, television, ads,…. We are controled and conditioned: we are slaves of the system. We have no freedom anymore. It’s all about power, money and consumption. I see a future were a handfull of people who stand at the head of some mayor companies are ruling the world. About globalisation: the West is destroying other cultures by forcing other people to live by the western system. We have to realize that other cultures don’t always want this western role model and feel treatend by it. Terrorism is just another sympton of this. I expect it will get worse in the near future. Globalisation is very dangerous! We will get a war between cultures! I just heard the other day that some guy invented a way to put commercials in space. So if we look up at night we cannot look at the sky anymore without being forced to look at ads, commercials or slogans. Can you imagine we live in a world where we look up at the sky and see a coca-cola ad? I think that some day the powerfull will go to far in everything and ordinary people are going to be very angry. Yes, I expect a revolution in the near future. This “extreem democracy” and this “false freedom for all” is becoming a very fascist order. It is happening!!! Chris. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Chris Kelvin)Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:50:52 +0000 Re: The truth about Kubrick's film "Eyes Wide Shut"!https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156547,from=rss#post156547https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156547,from=rss#post156547You scroll to the top of this runboard thread I started here on "Eyes Wide Shut" and you see automatically generated link-ads trying to get you to buy Kubrick's films or even his widow's beautiful paintings. One cannot even type freely into a "public forum" such as this without having ads automatically generated by machines luring those who are reading away from the actual content of those trying to speak with their own voice. It is as if you are standing on a street corner and you are talking about just about anything, you're talking about a new movie (The Passion, etc) or you're talking about how bad Starbuck's coffee is, or how wrong Bush or Kerry or Clinton is, and suddenly all around you ads are popping up that say "Go here for more information about Clinton's sex scandals!" and "Vote for Kerry and put and end to Bush!" and "Starbucks! The tastiest coffee we want you to buy!" I mean, you know, this is insanity, but it is how the world is working right now; and if you think we do not have or are not soon to have the technology to have a real world equivalent to this kind of spontaneous ad generation, you are wrong. We have to fight it. We have to fight it. As non-violently and as non-destructively as we can. We have to. Our souls are at stake. Matthewnondisclosed_email@example.com (friendlessvoyage)Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:07:27 +0000 Re: The truth about Kubrick's film "Eyes Wide Shut"!https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156546,from=rss#post156546https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156546,from=rss#post156546No, it is not a wind up. I tell you what I speak of bypasses the uncertainties and the dogmas of various conspiracy theorists. I do not know or have a word for any single person or group or organization, however shadowy and secret, who are conspiring to rule the world or to turn us into slaves. Certainly, though, there is great evidence for anyone who follows politics in any detail that in the U.S. our supposed leaders are practically puppets, especially in the face they show to the public. Now, if you find it hard to believe that a human can lie to those he hates or keeps secrets from and then go indoors and do and believe totally different things, or if you think humans are capable of keeping dark secrets, then I do not know what to say to you, because this is human nature or a fact of life. We ARE approaching fascism, especially the techno-fascist and globalize sort that Godfrey Reggio speaks of. How long have you lived? I have only lived 21 years so far and I have seen plenty of it all around me in my own time and I have myself lived a rather sheltered and priveleged life. Almost all of us now put over 50% of our faith in the state, in corporations and in technology, things of which few of us know very little about. We simply trust it like a child trusts its mother. Now, a child should trust its mother and the adults in her community should see to it that she is not a bad person and they should help he raise her child properly. But in today's time it is by and large the state, big business and complex technologies used by these two things that are raising our children. Mothers and fathers and the communities that sustain and family have less and less control and less and less power to do this. Even when they have been raised properly to avoid reliance on the state and money to raise children they still, in practicality, have few options, except perhaps buying a large plot of land out of the middle of nowhere and living as some kind of hermit farmer. I mean, our practical, secular exits here for avoiding this catastrophe of the human spirit are slipping day by day. If you think the world isn't becoming globalized, where the hell do you live? Do you live in some poor African country that isn't made aware of this horrifying fact in his everyday reality? All one needs to do is take a drive (or walk!) across the country or just across a large suburb and you will realize there is less and less difference and variety everywhere you go. It is not just the chains and the malls, okay? Because these are the troughs that our souls feed from. You will simply find that wherever you go people are thinking more and more alike... and this is bad that they are like this because their spirits, their souls, their vital energies have been sucked out of them hardly any different than a vampire sucks out the blood from its victim. But remember something, would you: the vampire must first entice the victim to give up his soul to him. Those are his methods, those are his tactics. And I will not sell my soul to the vampires of the corporations, the powerful, and the state. Conspiracy or not, if you actually think we are not rapidly turning the planet into a globalized, Los Angeles-ized, spiritually bankrupt and liberty-less state of doom, I do not know what to tell you except go outside and simply look around and see the world for yourself. Now, it is not as if just one nation is becoming this (say America), which would imply trans-national politics, wars and economic interests could one day "save us" from a state of absolute tyranny. Once the entire world becomes this way, heh, the only that could foreseeably save us is something from OUTSIDE of the planet, and I know of no space aliens in existence, okay? If will be up for our faith in God to provide us with hope and fulfillment and vision, yet I'm telling you the practical reality is that when your soul is eaten away by this madness of money and consumerism and moral relativism and rampant individualism you will have no room for seeking God. You will have all your doors closed and no seeker, no truth knower, no person with good common sense and decency will be able to reach you. Matthewnondisclosed_email@example.com (friendlessvoyage)Tue, 16 Mar 2004 19:32:54 +0000 Re: The truth about Kubrick's film "Eyes Wide Shut"!https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156545,from=rss#post156545https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156545,from=rss#post156545Continued Most conspiracy theorists have yet to suggest what discovery might lead them to change their mind. It is my observation that whatever future event occurs, whatever fact is discovered, their notions can be flexibly fitted to the occasion. If a politician rises, it is proof there is a conspiracy. If that same politician falls, it is also proof. If a president is assassinated, we see the hand of the Satanic cabal. If he survives assassination, he has come over the cabal's side. When a Nazi official in the 1930s brought proof to Adolf Hitler that "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" was a forgery, Hitler's reply was: "It doesn't matter. The Protocols are still true in principle." Conspiracy theory, for Hitler, was a statement of faith - the furtive fallacy of those who cynically believe that history is a chronicle of nefarious dealings, plots and subterfuge; that all events are explicable by a reference to a common plot. In Hitler's case, it was a "Jewish-Masonic" conspiracy. For Robert Welch, founder of the John Birch Society, conspiracy theory is due to the mysterious Illuminati. There are many amendments to the basic conspiratorial line. Except for the occasional third rate historian (like Carroll Quigley), or the fourth rate Nazi or Marxist thinker, no great and distinguished mind has yet embraced "conspiracy theory" if we look back at the great thinkers of the past two centuries. Works of acknowledged scholarship, erudition and literary skill do not reflect this theory. And this has to be accounted for, if indeed conspiracy theory is true. Rather than seeing organizations and movements inspired by liberal and utopian notions, the conspiracy theorist see a nefarious plot to enslave mankind under a global totalitarian state. Who, specifically, wants to create such an enslavement? Answer: The rich and powerful, the most respected names in the United States and Europe, the people who (as it turns out) already rule the world. In conspiracy literature the words and deeds of the enviable upper class are given an uncharitable coloration. Wars, assassination and economic difficulties are ascribed to malevolent cunning. Even the moves of the West's enemies are credited to these plotters. If the conspirators oppose Russia, they are playing a dialectical game and the Cold War itself is decried as "phony." If these same people turn around to support and appease Russia, they are proving their totalitarian credentials. Their real motivations, thoughts and plans are never properly examined in an objective way. Always, the conspiracy theorist knows these people are villains from the outset, and he/she knows what they are up to. Their least errors prove their evil genius. Their greatest bungles are without the least stupidity. Their inability to deal with insuperable is always cunning and by design. The plotters are building their power. The global dictatorship is getting closer by the day. This analysis does not take into account the complex interplay of forces which constitute the simplest social formation. Today we have a civilization which daily moves millions upon millions of barrels of oil from one part of the world to another. If this flow stopped for any reason there would be a catastrophe. Yet the machinery functions, and must continue to function, moving faster and faster. The plotting and scheming which allows the machine to move is thought to be nefarious. Yet abundance is produced by this machine on a scale never before seen. We have before us a society more permissive than dictatorial, more lenient than harsh and more liberal than fascist. Yet the conspiracy theorists decry its totalitarianism. To accuse the leadership of this amazingly vibrant, productive and decadent civilization of unleashing a plot to purposely smash the engine which they themselves have sweat to build and maintain, is to propose a contradiction. It is an odd conspiracy which, after a hundred or two hundred years, intentionally produces prosperity when it is alleged to be conspiring for pauperization. It is much simpler to theorize, instead, that the utopian projects of liberal civilization stem from the intellectual errors of the liberals themselves (i.e., the assumed perfectibility of humanity). Let it be noted that human beings often use their prosperity and power unwisely. This, in fact, is quite common and not at all extraordinary. No conspiracy theory is needed to account for the evils we see around us today. We are all-in-all sufficient to create such problems simply by "being ourselves." When the next great economic crash comes (and perhaps it is upon us, even now), when the economy suffers a grand correction, it will not be due to the machinations of conspirators - foreign or domestic (though our enemies may give us a strong push if they can). It will be due to the excessive economic optimism which debased all rational calculation and encouraged an economy of moonbeam farms. That being said, there are sophisticated international players who would be happy to give our civilization a "push" - as it were - into the abyss. Naturally, these are players who reside outside the West. At the same time, the leaders who sit on top of a civilized structure, to the extent that they are conscious of the great process around them, understand that they have everything to lose and little to gain from the destabilization of that structure. They already possess not just power, but the prestige of standing at the head of the most successful economic and political formation yet known to history. These leaders, despite flirtations with utopian liberalism, are profoundly conservative when they sense a threat to their own position. In the recent past, many in the U.S. elite were genuinely frightened of the arms race and the possibility of nuclear conflagration. The search for peace, the belief in the soothing influence of international commerce, led these players to open doors that should never have been opened - to China, for example. And these same players were eager - if not over-eager - to hear noises of contrition from the communists, if not rumbles of collapse. Permission to reprint/republish granted, as long as you include the name of our site, the author, and our URL. www.SierraTimes.com All Sierra Times news reports, and all editorials are © 2003 SierraTimes.com (unless otherwise noted) - SierraTimes.com™ A Subsidiary of J.J. Johnson Enterprises, Inc. nondisclosed_email@example.com (MatthewJ)Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:30:44 +0000 Re: The truth about Kubrick's film "Eyes Wide Shut"!https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156544,from=rss#post156544https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156544,from=rss#post156544Is this a wind up? If not please read this: Not all conspiracy theories are created equal Here is an excellent piece by J.R. Nyquist on the subject matter of False, Detrimental Conspiracy Theories - it's a J.R. classic! HB www.sierratimes.com/archi...yquist.htm Not all Conspiracy Theories are Created Equal By J.R. Nyquist 08.28.01 Notes on interpretations of recent political history Some propositions are so flexible as to be circular; as such, every fact reinforces the proposition and no possible fact is ever taken to refute it. Such propositions are impossible to argue against or examine scientifically because, in principle, they are built on an unassailable basis. Suppose there is a theory: (1) all swans are white. The founder of this theory is an expert who has examined 10,000 swans on five continents. Every swan he has seen is white. He writes eight volumes documenting the whiteness of swans. He claims, furthermore, that this is beyond dispute. However, another researcher finds black swans in Australia. When confronted with this discovery the founder of the theory decries it is "impossible." The theory that all swans are white is well established. If they are black, they are not swans. Among our political writers we are blessed with many who say that all swans are white, and turn this into a logical proposition. All swans are white, therefore any non-white swan is not a swan. Very logical, indeed, put hardly honest. Here the assumption proves the conclusion and the conclusion proves the assumption. There is no appeal beyond this circle, no appeal to the realm of fact. But if we want to be reasonable and open-minded, we must admit that any generalization from specific facts (e.g., 10,000 white swans) is vulnerable to the discovery that contradicts the generalization, making it untrue. We humans are not omniscient. There are gaps in our knowledge. Some facts are unknown to us, like the existence of black swans. Therefore, when we put forward a theory, and this includes conspiracy theories, we must take care to avoid circular formulations. We must ask ourselves what a black swan would be, in this case, to our white swan. What fact or discovery would fatally wound our theory? Recently I had the occasion to ask a lady author and conspiracy theorist what might be the equivalent of a black swan for her. She had no answer. Such methods do not apply to her inquiry. As she explained, she was setting out to prove what she already knew to be true. I put the same question to another conspiracy theorist, who is an excellent researcher, but he had no answer. My argument to them was quite simple: If no fact disproving their "elite conspiracy" hypothesis is conceivable in principle, then their argument is probably based on circular logic, not strict empirical observation. In fact, their hypothesis is not an hypothesis at all, but a faith or dogma which is never to be challenged or questioned by critical methods. Not all conspiracy theories, however, are based on circular reasoning. Not all position themselves above critical examination and refutation. KGB defector Anatoliy Golitsyn, who alleges a Kremlin long-range plan against the United States, offered a number of falsifiable predictions about the collapse of communism in Eastern Europe and the manner in which it would happen. Had these predictions failed to come true his hypothesis would have been falsified. Such a failure would have been the equivalent of a black swan. It is my challenge to those who are inspired by elite conspiracy theory, drawing sustenance from works like "None Dare Call it Conspiracy" and "The Shadows of Power," to say what their black swan would be. What fact, if proved, would upset their thesis. If no such fact can be imagined, then perhaps their theory does not depend on fact at all, but is an universal interpretation which can be applied to all human facts (as mustard might be applied to all food). nondisclosed_email@example.com (MatthewJ)Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:30:02 +0000 The truth about Kubrick's film "Eyes Wide Shut"!https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156543,from=rss#post156543https://bcinemaseekersforum.runboard.com/p156543,from=rss#post156543Our eyes are wide shut and Kubrick's film contains the key to liberation: www.youreyeswideshut.com http://ellisctaylor.homestead.com/eyeswideshut.html These two above, and the site below, are the greatest sites ever made about this film, bar none, I know of none better. They are the jackpot. Kubrick was indeed right when he said that this was his best. It is more powerful politically than "Dr. Strangelove" ever was. Go to these sites now. The New World Order and the shadow government which is taking over our nation (and soon the rest of the planet) is real and it is powerful. I repeat, it is real and it is extremely powerful. This is no joke. No hyperbole. It is happening as I type and as you read this. Spread the word and spread it fast. Matthew Dickinsonnondisclosed_email@example.com (friendlessvoyage)Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:25:44 +0000