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... and no doubt it was part of His Holy Plan from the beginning: we have degressed since Adam to be so sinful that He knows there is only so much any of us can do to lead a sinless life: instead we need a ticket out of here, which is in Jesus. I must add, though, that certainly those under the faith and the guidance of our Lord will inevitably do good works, and shine brightly in this world. Why some who strive not to sin and who strive to be holy never achieve much recognition, and find themselves able to do great good in the world, I do not know, but I would be much quicker to examine whether it wasn't the fault of others that held him down, and if this was so, it is guaranteed that such men were wrong in the blockades they constructed, and were in effect pleasing Satan, for it is to Satan's pleasure that some good Christians do not amount to much. Nonetheless they will be rewarded in the afterlife, if only for their faith and worship of God in the privacy of their own heart.

4) There is another problem with reincarnation that has just occurred to me, and it is something of a different order than what I have listed so far. It is this, that God has preserved His Word in historical documents, which give us a historical sense of time (a beginning, a middle, and a time that is to come, which will be the end of all things on earth as we know them, and these are bound by history; even the obscurity of the events in the beginning are still bound with a clear sense of history, as some of the earliest chapters show forth detailed genealogies, and the names of earthly locations, squarely grounding both Judaism and Christianity as a historical religion, belief-system, faith or whatever you wish to call them). Reincarnation, at least as I understand it (for I am presuming that by using the word you at least are meaning it something like how a Buddhist or Hindu would use it), is antithetical to history. Reincarnation puts the lie to the idea that there was an earthly beginning, that we are now in the middle of it (perhaps approaching the end), and that there are indeed last days in front of us. Someone who believes in reincarnation must believe that their series of lives are endless until they have accumulated enough good actions (karma) to reach a state of heavenly grace; no, it is impossible to fit a doctrine such as this into a historical text as the Bible. Even the prophets and the Book of Revelation attents to a historical sense of time which is simply at odds with the idea of never-ending cyclical Time. Such a universe is surely God's Kingdom, and a matter of His Being, as his Word proclaims himself to be eternal. But never has He even suggested that earth (which as we now put it, includes the whole universe, though people in Biblical times thought of the earth, when distinguished from God's abode and Satan's abode, as such, according to their limited knowledge) is a place in itself of eternal life, or that those who do enough good on earth will reap a better life to come, earthbound or otherwise. No, even early on in the Scriptures we read of God smiting the sinful earth in the history of the flood, and the grace which God instilled upon Noah, who was, like us all, yet another sinner. He then says he will never again do such a thing, and he has kept to his Word. Though the Book of Revelation clearly says that Judgment will come once more to the earth, it will be of a different order. This time there is a ticket from such doom, and it is in Christ Jesus, our Savior. Those who are saved in Him will be spared this second (and final) wrath and ultimate proclaiming of his eternal Justice.

I could go on, but I know I have written so much, and I know that my complaining and whininess here on this board, and my mean-spiritedness, has not set me in the most favorable light amongst you all, and I understand that. I won't bother even to correct what are sure to be many typos in this tract; look past them, please.

May God bless you, and see to it that find some peace on these matters. For what it is worth, I am quite peaceful without the need of believing in reincarnation or karma (or the writings of Abd-ru-shin, as well), and I have to wonder how you can accuse someone like me of pushing my beliefs onto you, when I am someone who is returning to a clearly older fashioned understanding, a belief-system much more in accord with that which founded our country to begin with. I see you as the alien here, but, once more, I will say that I don't mean to disrupt and to cause frustrations on your part (or anyone reading here now) by what I have to say.

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We should remember that no one is left out of Creation. Everyone is guided with love and care by the helpers in the beyond, and so long as we do not close ourselves to this help by clinging to some rigid ideology, the path to spiritual advancement remains open. God is no respecter of religions and ideologies and is not deceived by the label that a person chooses to hang on himself. It makes no difference whether someone calls himself an atheist, a Christian, a Jew or an artist - it is the inner life alone, the deepest essence of one's soul that is evaluated in the end for its maturity or immaturity.

So everyone should feel free to follow the path that beckons them out of life itself, be it in nature or in the arts or in science. Everywhere the Creator will reveal His Ways through the everyday happenings of life. And everywhere there are helpers, guided by the Will of God: the little elementals who work tirelessly in nature, the leaders of the Elements who impart their radiation to the stars and to those human beings who still long for virtues, right up to the Son of God Himself, Jesus Christ. Jesus came down from the highest point of Creation and brought with Him the all-embracing Truth, the Knowledge of the workings of Creation, of the natural processes underpinning all life. It was far from His intentions to found a religion, much less to make it a condition for attaining salvation. Only the gross mutilation of His teaching, perpetrated by the Church, is responsible for conveying the impression that Christians alone can attain to salvation. Christ revealed the Laws of God, Which govern all aspects of life for all people. No one is exempt from them in the same way as no one is exempt from the Law of Gravity; and everyone who adjusts to Them (consciously or subconsciously) reaps the benefit and advances towards Paradise, no matter what religion (if any) he may belong to.

There are many Hindus, Muslims, atheists and people of all kinds, whose lives in many respects accord with the teachings of Christ, though they may not even know His words. So long as they fulfill the ESSENCE of Christ's words, then it can be said that they are coming to the Father through Him. And at some later time, in the beyond, they will certainly come to recognize Christ as the Living Reality that He is. By the same token, there are many Christians, who have Christ's words on their lips, but whose behavior and manner of expression serve as an effective deterrent for all the non-Christians. Therefore, no one has a right to feel that they have already secured salvation here, but everyone should strive to recognize as many layers of Reality as possible in our everyday life.

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Oh boy, you are more lost than I realized. What a fool I am. You are nothing but a New Ageist, you know. The problem with you is not your good-heartedness, which I know only to be the surface, but your selfishness, your obvious unwillingness to help others around you. You (and with your wife) are lone people, wandering souls. You are home-less, and spine-less. I don't know what to say to someone like you. I saw a scene in your movie that looked like it was in Austin, maybe even a street I had been on recently when visitng my sister who lives there. Perhaps I'll drop by sometime, see you face to face, but your vanity, as I perceive it now through your words alone on this computer screen, is disturbing. You are cloudy and unsure in most matters of faith, and I take it you are unable to express much about what you believe (because you believe in little, and know little) through any method: face to face, through the lending of a helping hand to a poor stranger, online, in writing, or in an artwork self-deemed by you, I am sure, to be a great masterpiece. You will flow wherever the breeze takes you. You are unsteady on your feet, and falsely meek, nominally "meek," "meek" for stage presence only, in a way that Jesus never was. You may be ununusual in that you continually make use of a book not many (certainly not I) had heard of before visiting this place, but nonetheless, I've known puny folk as yourself, and it distresses me. How can I put it without making it sound as if I am insulting, when in all honesty I am sighing at this very moment? I realize here and now my fortunate background, and I can only wonder at the odd or miserable life you may have lived, and if finding some vague sense of "spirituality" in this "In the Light of Truth" book, a book which tellingly does not even add a "the" before the word "Truth" in its title, therefore delineating that it is THE truth, and not just a scattershot catch-all attempt at squeezing together a variety of other religion's "truths"... Well, I am clearly rambling. But it disappoints me. Have you even read your Bible? Have you studied it, have you humbled yourself before it, as it is God's Word (and for crying out loud, since when did "the Church" degrade the Bible to such an extent that they invented the idea, that it is not clearly found in the Scriptures, inarguably so, so that no one in their right mind would not end their reading of the Gospels, of Acts, and of the early sermons by Paul, Peter, James and others who were establishing the Church as Christ ordained and wished? Are you so foolish, or ignorant, to combine the heresies of the Roman Catholics with the Inspired Word found in a good Bible? Come on, this Abd-ru-shin fellow doesn't even write that well...

I'm not sure what to say. I am someone who can embarrass himself to such a degree in public (if this be counted as public) that even those mocking and giggling at me hush up when they see I'm seemingly incapable of blushing.

Anyway, let me be even more blunt: you are false, you are phony; whatever example you believe yourself to be setting to the world (or to God alone!) is counterfeit. You may wish well, but nonetheless you are a prick, and you are weak, and you quite assuredly have no sense of place or purpose. You believe you don't even belong on this earth, that you're not even a citizen of our country, and so forth. You are a scavenger. If what I say touches a nerve, then it is serving a purpose. My intent is not to merely insult, but to make you realize that insults hurt you hard, that you are thin-skinned and haven't yet developed a thick-skin, a toughness - a shield of spiritual armour, if you'd like.

Read the Bible, would you? For your sake, at least, stop pretending you have a clue what "reincarnation" is. Go travel to China and talk to an authentic Buddhist then come back here and tell me you believe in reincarnation. You are fool, Gregory. Wake up, would you, and stop seeing yourself as a saint, a pious individual: you are not this (and neither am I).

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You are not really setting a good example here FriendlessVoyage. Your last post was not neccessary. I take responsibility for it in a way, because I did bait you into giving your opinions on things I already knew the answer to out of curiosity.

I have to say unfortunately your attitude is all too familiar with regards to Christians accepting any new knowledge as truth.If you are a genuine Christian that is (and not just confused - i don't think for one you have any genuine conviction in Christianity). But I suppose it's easier to take the bait laid out in front of you promising easy riches for little effort. Worked well for the communists also.

There is a sad pattern with humanity where new revelations are always rejected, then violently opposed, then accepted. The same pattern happened with Jesus of course. You at the time of Jesus would have rejected him for the teachings of those days. That is a certainty.

Out of hundreds of people on message boards (mostly Christian) I have spoken to about both In the Light of Truth (and other important events which I won't mention here since it digresses too much - hint - Russia) many reject it. Even when proven wrong numerous times. Not only that they reject the notion that any new Revelations ever need to be given to mankind ever again.

Don't you think new revelations are ever needed? If you do, what do you expect? New Revelations are necessary for man’s development, do you not agree?

Why is there unwillingness to accept new revelations – under any circumstances, even when they clear up aspects of the faith which people constantly debate to no avail. I ask out of interest. How would you know if Jesus returns for example (you're in for a long wait by the way), instead of a *false prophet*?

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Well, He said that he WOULD NOT return to earth and exist on it as He previously did. Instead only an anti-christ, which will be Satan's masterpiece, will arrive (and I may very well live for the day to see it), but he will be only a complete and unholy counterfeit of Jesus Christ. Those who are believers and who are righteous will be swept off the earth and saved, if they do not die previous to the beginning of these last days. It is obvious to me that some of the prophetical writings, such as in Revelation, are beginning to occur. I am no prophet myself: to say that I am one would be to say that I am speaking for God here on earth! What nonsense. And I do not believe God is using any men to speak for Him today as he did in old days. There is no longer any need. That is, no: new "revelations" are not needed. There is nothing new under the sun. Man repeats his own story over and over; that much I know. No new knowledge, especially when it is clearly the mere workings of a man (like Abd-ru-shin), is going to bring us enlightenment. We are hopeless and dead without faith in Christ Jesus.

Does anyone here read the Bible? I am just beginning to.

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I should add that,

Yes, I am close-minded. And yes I am prejudiced. Yes, I do believe the majority of the world is wrong, and that the few Christians are right. Yes, I do believe that the majority of the world is going to hell, though in practicality they have already created one just fine for themselves here on earth. Am I lucky to have faith, to have found Him? No, but it is a blessing from the LORD. It is not luck, nor is it karma. It is grace.

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I thought God was love Friendlessvoyage ? Your hatred, anger and selfishness is certainly not that.


For a long time I was depressed and I hadn’t got much faith in humanity anymore. It was like everwhere I looked and everywhere I went I was confronted with these same selfish and arrogant people who are only focused on theirselves and who rather put you some deeper in the hole than actually helping you out. I haven’t encountered much people in my life who respect their fellowman. They rather destroy. So my depression got worse. I guess I was searching for humanity. I was tired of all this evil that is man. My life became empty and my friends dumped me, because they couldn’t live with my depression and my viewpoints about the condition of man. Everything felt fake to me. The world in my eyes was indeed going to hell. The only light that kept me going was what I found in books and artfilms. I felt that these pieces of art understood me better than any human being on this planet could ever do. I felt better but still this (spiritual) depression didn’t vanish. Then I turned to nature. I decided to take a walk in the forest, take a ride with my bike in the countryside or go to the sea. What I experienced their opened my eyes. I became aware of the miraculous workings of nature : I learned that the ducks in the river had their everyday routine, I saw insects doing their work. I saw birds building their nests and searching for food so they could feed their youngs and this every day again and again, without complaining. I saw these frogs reproducing theirselves, I saw flowers and plants absorbing the water. I listened to the sound of nature. I became aware of the wind, the absolute greatness of the ocean. The forces of nature. I could sit in nature for whole days without doing anything but to observe it. Other people would lose their patience very quickly. What struck me the most was that I wasn’t alone in these places. I met people in the forests who watched the workings of nature with the same respect and peace. I met farmers who with great care planted their seeds in the earth and later admired the fruits it bared. I saw how they took care of their horses and cows (cows are more intelligent then you think emoticon ),… When I went to the sea and looked at the greatness of the ocean I saw other people doing the same thing : they did not just pass by, they actually stood still and looked at it. People with families, with children, with babies. For the first time in my life I felt these people and I had something in common. For the first time I felt that I wasn’t alone. We all shared the same knowledge and had this great respect for the miracle of life. I learned we should be greatfull that the creator actually gave life to us in order to experience it for the many years we are here on earth. It’s like the creator said : I give you this gift of life and take care of it, but know that there will be a time where I have to take back that life in order to use it for other works. That is the justice of creation. Whatever happens, we should never turn ourselves against the miracle of creation. We should never cut ourselves off from it. We should never turn ourselves against our fellowman.


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I will not argue with this. Hey, Chris, you have my sympathy, but you must understand that this Gregory man, a practical stranger to me, at this moment does not. I may have kinder thoughts about him tomorrow, but he ought to be taught a lesson. I tired of his lukewarm evasiveness, and the magical high horse he pretends himself to sit upon. And I do I wonder if this all isn't better said by a more gentle-hearted soul as yourself, as you exhibit clearly in the post above.

Let me say this: it is not hate I have for Mr. Pearse, it is pity and sometimes disgust. I know myself as belligerent (waging war), but doing so to teach him a lesson. I am openly, and publicly, condescending to him.

I realize I am not particularly gifted or artful at this, especially with words. If I have managed to throw a good punch to his gut through my horse of a mouth, then perhaps I've done him a twinge of good.

I await his response.

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To be honest I see no vanity in the writings and artwork of the Pearses. The Pearses respect you: they are not saying they are right and everyone else is wrong. The Pearses believe in something. You believe in something. I believe in something. You can’t win a discussion by convincing someone that what he believes is wrong. One says yes, the other says no, it’s a pointless discussion that only leads to insults and frustrations. (Mankind have fought horrible wars just because they couldn’t accept what the other believes in). You believe in something because you experienced it and this experience is explained in a book, a film, a poem, a painting,….. Everyone who truely believes in something has experienced it first. Otherwise why would you believe it? Because it is written in a book? As I said before, both the “Bible” and “In the Light of Truth-books” are both valuable to me. There were things written in these books that I experienced at first hand and I took my conclusions. I found these conclusions back in these books. That’s why I value them. Of course these books go much much deeper than my conclusions and so I learn. So if someone like the Pearses talk about the Grail Message and you Matthew talk about the Bible you don’t just take what you have read and repeat it towards others. You talk about it because you agree with it, because you truely believe it. And why shouldn’t you use the exact words from these books (or any book)? The writings in these books are usually much better then when someone talks about it in his own words. It’s like the Pearses said: everyone must come to his own conclusions. Everyone must follow his own path and everyone else should respect that.

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I see an image before me of twenty thousand cell phoners jabbering their ways off the planet and into the darkness and nothingness of space, each to their own, and each never to return from whence he came. Each claims he has the truth, or wisdom, and yet he is flying backwards, as if from some mysterious and anti-gravitational force, into this outer abyss. They are as the astronauts in "Solaris" who are not like the character "Chris Kelvin" who wants to come Home after leaving it. And unlike in "2001: A Space Odyssey," nor will they turn into something Divine and Holy at their end's journey. Not from such a path as seeking darkness, sterility: that is only the path of Death! The LORD Jehovah and his son Jesus does not teach that man will turn into a super-man upon a good death and finding himself in heaven: he will still remain man there, for he was created as such.

You must realize that Christianity is ancient, and so are its foundations in the religion of the Jews. What these Pearses speak of is far more recent and, I contend, far less wise and trustworthy. Were the anti-christ (Satan's counterfeit of our LORD) to come again in our lifetime, it would be such fools as they to bow down immediately at his feet.

Where is your Home Mr. Kelvin? You seem truly to be a quiet and lonesome wanderer, only finding truth and exegesis here and there, largely impartially, as if you are will-less and haven't an invincible foundation to stand upon? You are a leaf that may blow any which away in the devilish winds of this trecherous planet.

Listen: it is Christianity that is the invincible foundation, the rock from which all other beliefs and ways of life seek and wish to obtain. These Pearses speak utter blasphemy and heresy in regards to matters such as Jesus Christ, their Lord and Saviour whom they claim, as I do, to worship and humble theirselves before. Read again their last post to me, and this time try to do so with open eyes, as what they say of Him is far, far away from the bedrock understanding of the holy faith.

Indeed, if I am to be stood corrected by Gregory, let him do so by himself. But he hasn't said much, and notwithstanding the likelihood that he has better things to be doing than talking to this man (that is me, who may be making himself pathetic in addressing him now), I still am sure he has little to say, and little to contend with, except to hide behind a private dogma of his own creation when he speaks of my dogma and inability to see beyond the veil of false traditions. But this dogma of his is the blasphemy unto our LORD, and that is his fault: he is just another man who seeks to make a religion of his own, however meek and unsuccessful.

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