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Re: An Apology from God?


Humanity is not adult. It is still adolescent. Adolescents are ill treated in that we somehow expect a child to be a child one day and then slip into a cocoon and emerge as fully adult.

Some of the problems of the world are caused by unfinished technological advance. probably most are caused by the cruelties of the natural world. Many more problems emerge from the chauvenism implicit within various faiths.

I remember my own adolescence and how I found some solace through all the terror and frustration by losing myself in some of the things that had comforted me as a child. To some extent I think this is what we do when, trapped in a half way world, we meditate on nature. It helps us even though we know we can't return to living as though we were just a part of it. From the bronze age on we've been marching, often painfully, to a future we don't yet have the capacity to fully imagine. And yet we must remain optimistic and create a world in which we are all fed and all have health care and all have homes and the option of security. At the moment we have lost extended families and tribes without having found a social structure that replaces these profound needs. I think internet communities provide a step towards a different kind of social condition through which we might find a clearer spiritual life without having to clutch on to medieval belief systems.
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Jago,

I think your comments are a helpful corrective to some of the wooley minded speculation on spirituality and the downfall of humanity that it is tempting for one to get trapped within. Humanity has not been one downward march of spiritual detereoration and deprevation (although it may sometimes seem that way). Our societies may be ruled by cowards and ass-lickers, the population may be hooked on the morphine of consumerism and childlike banality, our environment may be choking under the fumes of our recklessness, but, and an important but, humankind has never in recorded history lived in harmony with nature, or been absorbed in spiritual and moral contemplation. Tarkovsky's Andrei Rublev is not a nostalgic reminiscence on the quietude of medieval life, but on the harshness of circumstances and the face of evil and greed which an exhalted spirituality has to face.

There is Janus face to our modernity. What may constitute the impending crisis, is not that of the wickness of humanity but its sublimation, and the emancipatory power of capital and the industrial revolution. Just as the word lost its power with the coming of mass-literacy, so poetry died, so the divine lost its power with mass-divinty in the freeing of the slaves and the disintegration of feudalism, and ultimately with the release of the working class from the strictures of middle class morality. What does all this mean? That the social situation of high modernity is a confused one. Those linguistic hurdles required to reach a spiritual dialogue are now more illusory than ever, why else look to film rather than to poetry, the Bible, Koran etc..?

In the film Uzak, the protagonist switches off Stalker and puts on a tape of pornography. The interchangeability is a beacon of the fact that film is primed for its death. The very mechanisms of mass reproduction, lowering costs in digital technology, the internet etc. are the very mechanisms that likewise have equally the ability to debase everything that filmmakers like the Pearses and myself are trying to do. The erosion of elitism and the artistic, moral class has led to an explosion of filmmaking of dubious worth. The remaining great auteurs are now beseiged by a sea of banality coming from the digital revolution.

This is why I also caution against believing that the internet will cure our woes or that online communities have hope. The very agent that allows this forum is the same agent that renders the talk of god, divinty, spirituality itself rather quaint. The options presented by this conundrum are stark: return to a state of ignorance (impossible), re-assert the power of the word/image via an impenetrable mysticism and denunciation of the agreed terms (this was Heidegger's and now Sokurov's tactic), retreat inwards with a self-affirmatory stance, or, the most tempting option, forget about all the above issues and plough ahead regardless - in a manner unchanged from all the history of ascetics: past, present and future.

I wish I could devise any easy way to live in this world, one in which the means that allow me to move beyond serfdom or life as a petty bourgeoise, would not be the very trends that deny and collapse the aspiration to be able to concieve the absolute and communicate it. I have said to much. Unhappy compromise is the future.
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I'm more optimistic.

Obviously the internet mainlines on idiotic egocentric waffle and pornography. People who never had voices in their lives before are suddenly able to be read everywhere. This may be a recipe for much mediocrity but over time things tend to level out and I see more opportunity than has ever existed before for new voices to be heard. Of course nobody will come to know those voices unless writers make their points in a clear and interesting way. If I search for Tarkovsky on Google I will be directed to a million university style theses that couldn't lose me quicker than if they'd been written in Russian. At the other end is the absurd oversimplification of films as either being cool or sucking.

This site is a good example of an exception. I'm sure there are many others. In time I suspect most people who surf the internet looking for something to take them on a journey of some kind (and even pornography is a journey) will find themselves infinitely more drawn to those sites which offer something which makes them feel something or realise something about the nature of their lives. One of the prime urges of humanity (right up there with sex) is the search for meaning.

Sometimes it is easier for modern man, associating so much religion with backsliding into idiocy, to fall into the trap of seeing de Sade as a prophet and the saints as clowns. But we know that the path of hedonism and satiety leads to a kind of ennui. Reading the musings of someone with nothing to say (and it's possible I might fall into that category for many reading this) is boring.

I do believe there is a sea of banality in the cinema but I believe this has nothing to do with the opening up of cinema to anyone with a camcorder. We won't ever see the like of Bergman, Fellini, Tarkovsky and their like again but I think we have some very interesting film-makers at work and finding audiences. Where the banality is most apparant is in the way so much of popular cinema has been boiled down to a recipe. The DVD revolution has made a huge difference to the importance of those big Hollywood movies though. More and more films are being made available. The internet has made it possible to make work available internationally. And, of course, we have the ability to talk to each other now.

If you want to tell a few hundred people about a magnificent film that you think everyone needs to see you can post the information on numerous message boards and reach a huge audience who might, otherwise, never have heard of it. The ones impressed by the authority of your advice might seek the film out and, if moved by it, pass on the information. Ten years ago the distribution and publicising of the film existed only in the hands of a small number of publicists and critics. Now everyone has the option of guiding opinion.

It will take a while. The internet as an arena for discussion is still sniffed at by the over 25's. And yet the under 25's are a lot more open to seeing and appreciating the great works of the cinema than pessimists suppose. Kids who you might think would stop at Dude, Where's My Car discover Bergman and Fellini and find a world they never look back from.

As for God and divinity. It's a bad time for both. When mass murderers claim a hotline to God and fundamentalists of all faiths try to impede human progress it's hard to wrestle God and divinity away from purely negative interpretation.
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